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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was unaware that Rush Limpbaugh had moved personhood backwards from the moment of conception to unferitlized ova? If ova are &quot;people&quot; then this must hold true for the Sperm Banks as well? Holy Moly--maybe we had better confer Sainthood on OctaMom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was unaware that Rush Limpbaugh had moved personhood backwards from the moment of conception to unferitlized ova? If ova are &#8220;people&#8221; then this must hold true for the Sperm Banks as well? Holy Moly&#8211;maybe we had better confer Sainthood on OctaMom?</p>
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		<title>By: tombuckelew</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-103</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-said Ted.  However, despite the fact that all the embryos are not destined for destruction, that is what will ultimately happen anyway.  The in vitro technique uses a mass fertilization process that produces far more embryos than the prospective parents intend to use.  They are kept on ice for as long as the &quot;owners&quot; continue to pay the embryo bank...and then they are discarded.  There were precious few cell lines available (less than 20) when George Bush came in to office.  He would not approve of any federal funds to produce more.  Many of those that existed proved to be unusable.  It doesn&#039;t take many cell lines to effect good research but certainly more than those Bush allowed federal dollars to support.  A number of good researchers left the country as a consequence of the Bush policy.  Or...perhaps you would prefer that in vitro policies require that all embryos be used even if it results in litters like Nadya Suleman just delivered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-said Ted.  However, despite the fact that all the embryos are not destined for destruction, that is what will ultimately happen anyway.  The in vitro technique uses a mass fertilization process that produces far more embryos than the prospective parents intend to use.  They are kept on ice for as long as the &#8220;owners&#8221; continue to pay the embryo bank&#8230;and then they are discarded.  There were precious few cell lines available (less than 20) when George Bush came in to office.  He would not approve of any federal funds to produce more.  Many of those that existed proved to be unusable.  It doesn&#8217;t take many cell lines to effect good research but certainly more than those Bush allowed federal dollars to support.  A number of good researchers left the country as a consequence of the Bush policy.  Or&#8230;perhaps you would prefer that in vitro policies require that all embryos be used even if it results in litters like Nadya Suleman just delivered.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Mickens</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Mickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first fallacy is the idea that most of the currently frozen embryos have been earmarked for destruction. In point of fact, the vast majority of these embryos are not slated to be thrown out; rather, according to the same Rand Corporation study, approximately 88% are being kept in storage for future family building. The actual number of embryos that have been designated for disposal is quite small, only around 2.2% of the total. The fraction designated for research is also quite small, about 2.8%. Of the original 400,000 frozen embryos, therefore, only perhaps 11,000 would actually be available for destruction at the hands of researchers who would like to harvest stem cells from them.
 
The second fallacy is that every embryo will be useful for providing stem cells. In the real world of laboratory science, it is often necessary to destroy 15 or 20 embryos before you succeed in getting just one embryonic stem cell line. The process is inefficient. Hence from the 11,000 embryos mentioned earlier, one could reasonably expect just a few hundred stem cell lines. Thus, the seemingly impressive number of &quot;400,000 frozen embryos,&quot; hides the real truth that the number of stem cell lines you could expect to get is too small to be of use in treating large segments of the population who have various diseases. In other words, vast numbers of embryos beyond those currently frozen would still be required to treat diseases, if it ever, in fact, becomes possible to treat human diseases in the future with embryonic stem cells. The push to strip-mine embryos that are stored in the deep-freeze is but the opening salvo of a broader effort to produce many more doomed embryonic humans in Petri dishes for research purposes. Canada, for example, recently announced a new policy that will permit research not only on embryos taken out of the deep-freeze, but also on freshly prepared, never frozen, in vitro fertilization embryos. Similar experimentation using fresh human embryos is also legal in a number of states throughout the United States, as long as private, rather than government funds are used to pay for the experiments.
 
The third fallacy concerns the idea that when embryos will be &quot;thrown out&quot; by somebody and are going to &quot;die anyway&quot;, that somehow gives me carte blanche to destroy those embryos myself for research. In point of fact, however, the unethical behavior of others can never condone immorality on our part. Somebody&#039;s imminent death, moreover, does not create a license for us to subject them to lethal forms of experimentation. Organs, for example, may not be forcibly taken out of death-row inmates merely because such prisoners are going to &quot;die anyway.&quot; You suggest that embryos are mere objects, &quot;things&quot; for our manipulation, ultimately little more than dumpster-bound material. Representative Chris Smith, on the other hand, sets a more proper tone when he observes that it is, &quot;…highly offensive, insensitive and inhumane to label human embryos as excess or throwaway or spare.&quot;
 
To put it simply: human beings are never disposable, whether in the form of a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, a neonate, an infant, a child, an adolescent, a teenager, an adult, or a 90 year old woman. Each of us exists as a remarkable biological continuum that extends from conception until death. Our fundamental and unique value is never determined or diminished by our stage of development. Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni of the University of Pennsylvania once testified at a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing in these words: &quot;I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty is not a human being.&quot;
 
As fellow human beings, human embryos ought never to be the subjects of death-dealing experiments aimed only at benefiting others.

Your forth fallacy and your biggest lie.  &quot;The ultra right concerns itself with frozen embryos that will be discarded eventually but are not concerned about children as well as adults that already exist and are suffering?&quot; I am not &quot;ultra&quot; anything. I am right in the center of middle America. And I will tell you this -children as well as adults that already exist and their suffering, are exclusive of the moral depravity of your thinking. To say that the people on the right are not concerned with human suffering is silly. But then, silly is as silly does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first fallacy is the idea that most of the currently frozen embryos have been earmarked for destruction. In point of fact, the vast majority of these embryos are not slated to be thrown out; rather, according to the same Rand Corporation study, approximately 88% are being kept in storage for future family building. The actual number of embryos that have been designated for disposal is quite small, only around 2.2% of the total. The fraction designated for research is also quite small, about 2.8%. Of the original 400,000 frozen embryos, therefore, only perhaps 11,000 would actually be available for destruction at the hands of researchers who would like to harvest stem cells from them.</p>
<p>The second fallacy is that every embryo will be useful for providing stem cells. In the real world of laboratory science, it is often necessary to destroy 15 or 20 embryos before you succeed in getting just one embryonic stem cell line. The process is inefficient. Hence from the 11,000 embryos mentioned earlier, one could reasonably expect just a few hundred stem cell lines. Thus, the seemingly impressive number of &#8220;400,000 frozen embryos,&#8221; hides the real truth that the number of stem cell lines you could expect to get is too small to be of use in treating large segments of the population who have various diseases. In other words, vast numbers of embryos beyond those currently frozen would still be required to treat diseases, if it ever, in fact, becomes possible to treat human diseases in the future with embryonic stem cells. The push to strip-mine embryos that are stored in the deep-freeze is but the opening salvo of a broader effort to produce many more doomed embryonic humans in Petri dishes for research purposes. Canada, for example, recently announced a new policy that will permit research not only on embryos taken out of the deep-freeze, but also on freshly prepared, never frozen, in vitro fertilization embryos. Similar experimentation using fresh human embryos is also legal in a number of states throughout the United States, as long as private, rather than government funds are used to pay for the experiments.</p>
<p>The third fallacy concerns the idea that when embryos will be &#8220;thrown out&#8221; by somebody and are going to &#8220;die anyway&#8221;, that somehow gives me carte blanche to destroy those embryos myself for research. In point of fact, however, the unethical behavior of others can never condone immorality on our part. Somebody&#8217;s imminent death, moreover, does not create a license for us to subject them to lethal forms of experimentation. Organs, for example, may not be forcibly taken out of death-row inmates merely because such prisoners are going to &#8220;die anyway.&#8221; You suggest that embryos are mere objects, &#8220;things&#8221; for our manipulation, ultimately little more than dumpster-bound material. Representative Chris Smith, on the other hand, sets a more proper tone when he observes that it is, &#8220;…highly offensive, insensitive and inhumane to label human embryos as excess or throwaway or spare.&#8221;</p>
<p>To put it simply: human beings are never disposable, whether in the form of a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, a neonate, an infant, a child, an adolescent, a teenager, an adult, or a 90 year old woman. Each of us exists as a remarkable biological continuum that extends from conception until death. Our fundamental and unique value is never determined or diminished by our stage of development. Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni of the University of Pennsylvania once testified at a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing in these words: &#8220;I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty is not a human being.&#8221;</p>
<p>As fellow human beings, human embryos ought never to be the subjects of death-dealing experiments aimed only at benefiting others.</p>
<p>Your forth fallacy and your biggest lie.  &#8220;The ultra right concerns itself with frozen embryos that will be discarded eventually but are not concerned about children as well as adults that already exist and are suffering?&#8221; I am not &#8220;ultra&#8221; anything. I am right in the center of middle America. And I will tell you this -children as well as adults that already exist and their suffering, are exclusive of the moral depravity of your thinking. To say that the people on the right are not concerned with human suffering is silly. But then, silly is as silly does.</p>
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		<title>By: tombuckelew</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>tombuckelew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted,  Why is it that the ultra right concerns itself with frozen embryos that will be discarded eventually but are not concerned about children as well as adults that already exist and are suffering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,  Why is it that the ultra right concerns itself with frozen embryos that will be discarded eventually but are not concerned about children as well as adults that already exist and are suffering?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Mickens</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Mickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a few more murdered babies and maybe we can save some lives.</description>
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		<title>By: tombuckelew</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>tombuckelew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,  Thanks for the comment.  It is one thing regurgitating textbook knowledge but providing first person accounts allows a personal approach.  I am hopeful she continues to do well.  Stem cell therapy will (I am confident) one day replace the lost pancreatic beta cells (source of insulin).  I hope that day is within the decade.  We lost some valuable time during the past administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,  Thanks for the comment.  It is one thing regurgitating textbook knowledge but providing first person accounts allows a personal approach.  I am hopeful she continues to do well.  Stem cell therapy will (I am confident) one day replace the lost pancreatic beta cells (source of insulin).  I hope that day is within the decade.  We lost some valuable time during the past administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom.
Thanks for the posting on diabetes. My wife has been a type 1 diabetic since age 14 and is doing OK at the age of 52  (considering the double wammy of also have heart disease). She underwent bypass 6 years ago this May and is doing reasonably well. Hope none of the readers ever have to make a choice of procedures, but we highly recommend the beating heart method. Basically, they conduct the bypass without removing, or stopping the heart, but slow it considerably.
She has also been wearing an insulin pump for about 5 years now and keeps better blood sugar control although it is a love-hate relationship with an infusion device the size of a pack of marlboros strapped to you day and night. I highly recommend the device to those who need it (Type 1 and 2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom.<br />
Thanks for the posting on diabetes. My wife has been a type 1 diabetic since age 14 and is doing OK at the age of 52  (considering the double wammy of also have heart disease). She underwent bypass 6 years ago this May and is doing reasonably well. Hope none of the readers ever have to make a choice of procedures, but we highly recommend the beating heart method. Basically, they conduct the bypass without removing, or stopping the heart, but slow it considerably.<br />
She has also been wearing an insulin pump for about 5 years now and keeps better blood sugar control although it is a love-hate relationship with an infusion device the size of a pack of marlboros strapped to you day and night. I highly recommend the device to those who need it (Type 1 and 2).</p>
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		<title>By: tombuckelew</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>tombuckelew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chocolate is fine but it contains a lot of fat.  Just limit your intake.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Edwards</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr Buckelwe or Doctor Buckelwe
Can I stil eat choclklat?
Thakn you,
Jimmy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr Buckelwe or Doctor Buckelwe<br />
Can I stil eat choclklat?<br />
Thakn you,<br />
Jimmy</p>
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		<title>By: tombuckelew</title>
		<link>http://tombuckelew.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/diabetes/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>tombuckelew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jimmy,  Thanks for the kind words.  I will follow this up with a blog about an effective way to lose weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jimmy,  Thanks for the kind words.  I will follow this up with a blog about an effective way to lose weight.</p>
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